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Eyewitness account: The December 16th Copenhagen Riots

After the first police attack. The demonstration truck complete with a set of turn-tables is abandoned. It appears they even arrested the DJ.
Photo from Ungdomshuset online gallery. Also, check out the images at Ekstra Bladet and Politiken.

While some punks were still defending their demonstrations with paint bombs and sticks.

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Copenhagen saw riots yesterday (AP: Up to 300 Protesters Detained in Denmark). I was there. Lots of bits and pieces of information is rumbling around inside my head right now, so I might as well spill it out and set them straight.

My 16th of December

I was at a concert the night before. Long irrelevant story, but I couldn't find my bike but met an old friend and ended up walking along Nørrebrogade with her. She's going to take a turn east so we're standing on a corner sharing the last few personal events from our lives since ages ago when last time we met. Suddenly people start running towards us from Runddelen. Lots of people. We take refuge right around the corner. We talk a bit and then she leaves. I walk back to see what's happening.

There is people everywhere. At this point I would have to make a wild guess at 1500-2000. But nine out of ten is just standing, staring. About 20 armored police cars are driving towards Ungdomshuset from all streets around it. Behind each is a phalanx of combat dressed cops. In front of Ungdomshuset is still a large group of protesters, some lighting fires in the street, some throwing stones at the police.

Other cops are making bystanders, calm sympathisers of the demonstration, witnesses walk away from the scene. I had to walk back a few hundred metres too, so I didn't get a close look at the police attack, but I'm sure it was a brutal victory. In the short run. Because most protesters had obviously escaped in all directions. The following minutes saw a couple of brief cobble stone attacks and a few fires in the streets. Someone must have read the manual on guerrilla warfare because it appeared basically a handful of people were entertaining the police for hours.

After about two hours I guess, the mass of demonstrators, curious people and sympathisers where largely confined to the area right in front of Ungdomshuset. The fires in the streets elsewhere were being extinguished by a fireman crew. So the police pulled back and stayed observant. Good idea, because yesterday was a clear demonstration of how counter productive any police raid can really be. Each time they make a full warfare like strike, it attracts more audience. And each time they baton and hand-cuff some 15 years old punk kid, it creates more sympathisers among the previously neutral witnesses.

I met many old friends in the crowd. People from high school I have hardly seen in a decade. Two of these had seen the initial police attack on the actual demonstration. Because it was actually a peaceful demonstration to begin with. It was supposed to start in Ungdomshuset and end in Christiania - the two last symbols of the threatened underground culture in Denmark. But as far as I have been told it was attacked either because some of the demonstrators were masked and/or because no-one wanted to give in their name to the police and register as a responsible arranging the demonstration.

Whatever the reason, the demonstration was massacred by the police not more than perhaps a hundred metres from Ungdomshuset. My two friends had been watching that. The funniest thing they told was about the police teargassing themselves. The street is not too wide so it must have been quite chaotic at the front line as some n00b cop fires a tear gas grenade right into the battle field without any other cops wearing gas masks. About twenty cops had had to make an escape and run for it. They came back to cry and vomit at the spot my friends were using to peek at the action from. (Danish tear gas is the strongest in the world. Only Israel uses the same stuff.)

Anyway, we hang out for a couple of hours having a few beers. The kids in Ungdomshuset set up a pair of speakers and blast out tracks like We're not gonna take it and Fight for your right. A punk party was planned for the night, but I don't know if they pulled through with it. I get a message on the phone saying my bike is parked outside a friend's house. Cursing about it I leave in the direction of the city with my two buddies.

About halfway there some policemen stop me. Detained, §6, body search. Why? Because they had spotted a Ungdomshuset banner sticking out of my pocket. I had just picked it up from the battlefield debris as a kind of souvenir. So, basically you risk arrest wearing Ungdomshuset paraphernalia. Some paragraphs have goone loose.

We stop by a friend of a friend's house to watch the news. Headline: ALL SYMPATHY GONE. What? What we had just experienced was a lot of sympathy from all kinds of people in the streets. Direct transmission from reporter in the street right outside Ungdomshuset: "They are hiding out inside. Who knows if they will get violent later when they have had more alcohol. My information is uncertain." (Not a precise translation! Vaguely rephrased from memory.) Your information? What information? That reporter was basically making up some crazy story. They call themselves TV2 NEWS - perhaps they should change that to TV2 LIES?

The background info for you and my opinion

The TV station pulling off a strongly politically biassed report is unfortunately not too surprising. The cases of Ungdomshuset and Christiania have become part of a messy right wing attack on anything alternative, non-conformity element of Danish culture. TV2 happily partakes in portraying efficient police work which is exciting violence of the socially acceptable type. Even when what really happened most of the time was just a bunch of punk kids doing mostly harmless fires and grafitti getting chased around by an army of cops.

To add insult to injury, Copenhagen sold the house at a price way below market value to a far right fundamentalist christian sect. It couldn't get worse than that. They use whatever attention their sorry brainwashing club can get to proclaim they are cleaning out the city of demons. Following that sympathisers have chipped in to buy the house back from the sect at a price some US$ 1.5 million above what they got if from the city for. They have declined selling it. Mind boggling. How can a cult turn down such an offer?

And actually, all sympathy is not gone. Far from it. But only one political party is left in open support: My Enhedslisten :) Morten Kabell told Politiken (my translation):

The kids are frustrated about loosing the house. I understand that but I personally wouldn't have acted by rioting. I don't support rioting but by principle I support Ungdomshuset. If the police hadn't attacked it wouldn't have gone so far. Also, it is deeply problematic that the police has arrested a journalist from TV2. That raises suspicion they have something to hide.

The leading cop, Flemming Steen Munck, a hardliner compared to his predecessor, is saying something weird to Ekstra Bladet (my translation):

They were only allowed to leave the house so we could confine them.

Is it just me or is that contradictory with the demonstration being attacked because it later violated something?

I don't have time to write any more. But I got most of it down here. Feel free to ask. Also check out the Ungdomshuset website in English.

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Great report, Benno! Citizen's journalism in action.

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Reply#1 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:15 AM EST
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Thanks a lot. Dammit I didn't get the part of the story with Santa Claus in it. Maybe later...

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  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:32 AM EST
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Great stuff, Benno. I was in Copenhagen too, but I didn't see much, because I had to catch a train. You can watch the police attack (American/Israeli style) here.

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  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:19 AM EST
{"commentId":432391,"authorDomain":"PamelaDrew"}

Thanks, so glad to hear what no one reports; attacking protesters is part of defending the illusion of free.

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  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:29 AM EST
{"commentId":432421,"authorDomain":"simon-says"}

Thank you Benno. I've been searching thrue the swedish newspapers about this but I haven't found any meaningful information. So thank you for telling us your story!

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  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:55 AM EST
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{"commentId":432668,"authorDomain":"gpolya"}

Benno - it seems there are 2 fundamental issues (a) how you effect the domestic laws of the land i.e. (i) ask the squatters to leave nicely (the nice way of civilized people) or (ii) to use egregious violence against the squatters and their sympathizers (the authoritarian, proto-Nazi way) and (b) legality of such occupation in Denmark (evidently decided by the Court of democratic Denmark).

However, it must be observed that while Denmark is a "nice" democratic country, BUT in an international context through its linkage to UK-US state terrorism and US-Israeli State Terrorism (USIST) in the Middle East, Demark is clearly a proto-Nazi, war criminal, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, racist rogue state in its support for US Occupation of Iraq (international squatting) that has been associated with 0.9 million post-invasion excess deaths (war criminal mass murder by the US-led Coalition to which Denmark belongs) , 2 million Iraqi refugees in neighbouring countries (Genocide according to the UN Genocide Convention) and a UN estimate that currently 100,000 Iraqis are fleeing their country each month (continuing Denmark-backed US-UK-Australian-effected genocide).

Quite appropriate therefore that Denmark's new Princess comes from a place (Tasmania, Australia ) that on the theory of "terra nullius" (empty land, no occupation of the land) completely exterminated its Indigenous Inhabitants between 1803-1876 (the last completely Indigenous Tasnmanian, a woman Truganini, died in 1876 - her bones were on public display for years in Princess Mary's hometown Hobart). There are actually still thousands of Part-European Tasmanian Aboriginals (descended from married or raped Aboriginal women) and the Tasmanian Government has taken various steps to say sorry and even to compensate these descendants.

However the racist, genocidal, war criminal, Bush-ite Australian Government (and the Opposition) (who both support US state terrorism in Afghanistan - 2.1 million post-invasion deaths) are complicit in a continuing Aboriginal Genocide that commenced in 1788 (the Aboriginal population dropped from 1 million to 0.1 million in the first century), continued in the 20th century (with forced removal of 0.1 million Aboriginal children from their mothers and appalling living conditions); and is continuing in the 21st century: the "annual death rate" is 2.2% (for Indigenous i.e. Aboriginal Australians), 2.4% for Aborigines in the Northern Territory as compared to 0.4% (what it should be for Aborigines), 0.7% for White Australians and 2.5% for sheep in pre-drought Australian sheep farm paddocks; it has been estimated by a top diabetologist Professor Paul Zimmet that appalling health conditions mean that Australian Aborigines may die out by the end of the century (passive genocide by Racist White Australia, racist White Denmark's ally in Middle East war crimes, genocide and forced eviction of 2 million Iraqi refugees) (see: Sydney Madonna & Aboriginal Genocide.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 3:16 PM EST
{"commentId":432775,"authorDomain":"benno"}

It hurts reading your stuff. Because at first it may seem like a crazy rant of a conspiracy theory madman. But it's all true.

By the way, did I mention the Christian sect, Faderhuset (litterally: "the father house") is hard core anti-Islam? Well they are. Ironic as they are as intolerant as any Osama bin Laden / Taleban kind of madman.

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#2.1 - Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:25 PM EST
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{"commentId":433893,"authorDomain":"benno"}

Two good videos on YouTube: 1, 2.

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Reply#3 - Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:36 PM EST
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#3.1 - Sat Dec 23, 2006 8:22 AM EST
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{"commentId":443998,"authorDomain":"robbrown1998"}

Benno, it's with great pain that I read the news of the police raid and brutality on the people of Ungdomshuset. I can remember living in Copenhagen and hearing of the possibility of conflict with police some 4 years ago. It is truly a shame that resistance is contorted to terrorism and expression of self and freedom is misconstrued to be something which is actually against the rights which we seek to preserve. I wish things could change immediately, but I know that without such demonstrations we will not find change and without local activism we will only find constriction and intrusion into our ways of living. So, thank you for publishing this on the web. I know that the mainstream media here (US) did not go any farther than to report that there were riots on the streets of Copenhagen. Keep it up, my friend.

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  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Dec 23, 2006 5:31 PM EST
{"commentId":444212,"authorDomain":"benno"}

Someone blogging in English and living right next to the house has put his experiences down: Ungdomshuset, News chopper, The aftermath, Reflections. It's even with links to images on Flickr ;)

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  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:36 PM EST
{"commentId":448907,"authorDomain":"benno"}

I missed this because Denmark has banned Google from deeplinking to articles, but here is Copenhagen Post: A protest against the closing of a youth collective turned violent Sunday. Police arrested nearly 300 of the 800 participants. It is a conservative media.

Also, some Google Blogger - "In pursuit of truth and freedom" (sic!) - is going crazy about it. In bashing some other blogger he manages to twist nearly every fact from that day to fit his intolerant views. Yet another fascist masquerading as a 'liberal'... hopefully is the end of this meaningless example of blogging. It appears to link back to other blog posts which I won't bother reading.

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  • 1 vote
Reply#6 - Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:46 AM EST
{"commentId":449554,"authorDomain":"trueblue1212"}

In response to Benno Hansen and the comments he left on my blog, I published an article addressing your contentions. However, feel free to comment again.

That you do not bother to read the other posts is unsurprising (and not a matter of any concern to me) as they do not conform to your "us and them" mindset and do not carry the self-affirming life blood that keeps your "struggle" alive.

And trust me, this blog is far from the end.

The article is reproduced below:
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"Whoever writes this blog: were you there? Are you even based in Denmark? Do you know diddly-squat about Ungdomshuset to begin with?

Let me emphasise: this blog entry is full of factual errors and twists.

I myself have published my eyewitness account: Newsvine.com: Eyewitness account: The December 16th Copenhagen Riots.

First of all: The demonstration was attacked by the police. That's a fact, Jack. Reasons stated were zero tolerance in relation to laws (masking, demonstration procedures) that are in place to prevent other crimes - not really crimes in themselves!

The not-paying-rent part is false. Simple as that."

Benno Hansen 28/12/06

This comment was posted by Mr Benno Hansen because he was referred here by the previous articles main subject, Mr Keppler. (a.k.a Midnight Fire)

In answer to your first question, was I there? Yes, I was there. I have family in the region and Copenhagen is just one of the many places worldwide I have contracts in, and as such I am in Denmark and especially Copenhagen on a fairly regular basis.

In response to your sweeping statement that "this blog is full of factual errors and twist" are you referring to just this one article, or the blog in its entirety? If, and the implication of your statement is such, you are disputing the other contentions and arguments contained within this blog, then go ahead and present you referenced refutations of them.

I suspect however, that although your command of English is clearly excellent, it lacks the subtleties that give rise to connotation, and that you are referring to this one article and not the rest of the content of the blog.

Anyhow, lets deal with the "not-paying-rent part is false" first.

This building had been squatted in by this group calling itself Ungdomshuset since the early eighties, and during this time they have not paid a bean in rent. That is why they are called squatters.

The building was sold around five years ago to Faderhuset, and considering that Ungdomshuset did not ever pay rent, let alone own the building it would seem fair to say that they had a good rent free run, and that the buildings owner had every right to seek and expect a source of income from their investment. An eviction notice was served to clear the building to make way for the legal owners and perspective tenants.

Even Ungdomshuset themselves do not dispute the fact that they were non rent-paying squatters and took the matter to court on the basis that it should not have been sold whilst it was being occupied. The court decided otherwise; it is clearly common-sense.

I am sure that your position on squatters would change if they were to occupy your premises.

They state on their website "We have reached the end of a 2 year long trial against activists from Ungdomshuset. The court has spoken and the verdict turned out in favor of Faderhuset."

Because the verdict was returned against them they then state "We do not acknowledge their so-called justice system!"

They obviously "acknowledged" this same justice system initially to the degree that they participated in it to seek a judgement in their favour. And I can guarantee you that if they had secured such a judgement they would have "acknowledged" that too.

It was only when they did not get what they wanted (and lets face how could they have in the name of reason) that they then decided that the law was not for them after all.

They then go on to say "There will never be anything but Ungdomshuset in that house and therefore we will do anything in our power to defend it!"

Considering that the legal avenues had failed how else did they propose to "defend" the house?

"On the 23rd + 24th we hit the streets to show them that we are many, that we are powerful and that we will NOT be ignored!"

"It is no longer a matter of IF we are going to fight for the house, but rather WHEN! But WE decide when it's time to fight - therefore the demonstrations will be non-confrontative ." (sic)

The two statements above from Ungdomshuset clearly show the intention of how this "house" they had no right to be in was going to be defended, By fighting. By violence. The last part of "non-confrontative" is merely a disingenuous caveat.

The act of opposing the application of the law by way of large physical presence meant it was never to going to be anything other then confrontational and they knew this. Indeed they did everything possible to provoke the police by donning face masks and disregarding democratic procedure. To get the police to react first in order to gain the moral high ground is old as the hills and most people can see through it.

My initial reaction was that the police may have overreacted, but when I saw footage of events I had not witnessed like this one, I thought otherwise.

If you watch that footage and see that the police (human beings too, quite possibly with children) were still in that van being attacked by that mob in such an aggressive and hate filled way I would suggest that if anything, the police showed a lot of restraint.

If I were in the situation they were in there (and I have been in the past as a former soldier) I would have felt the life of my colleague and I was in imminent danger and I would not have hesitated to use my firearm, and I would have had the full backing of the law to do so.

This report also shows the events that took place, and the "non-confrontative" attitude of those taking part.

And among those arrested for violence against the police that night was a man from Northern Ireland with "all cops are bastards" tattooed onto his scalp; that gives us a flavour of the makeup of these "protesters."

I know through my family many local people who were very glad that action was finally being taken to close down this centre of trouble. I do not suppose they were as happy with the damage that was caused to houses and business or of the looting and destruction of private property that occurred, but you get that at every one of these "protests"

Just as when I witnessed the poll tax riots in London many years hence, the primary cause for concern to the "protesters" was to smash open as many shop windows as possible and steal as many goods as they could carry. Throwing missiles and attacking the police was merely a close second.

Nothing noble.

In conclusion, Mr Hansen, it is you are full of factual errors and twists.

And why could Mr Keepler not address this issue himself, instead of using you as his proxy?
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Find it at: http 'dot' truthatsentinel 'dot' blogspot 'dot' com/

Unlike most "liberal" blogs all comments are aired without censorship and all coherent comments are answered.

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#6.1 - Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:26 PM EST
{"commentId":450081,"authorDomain":"benno"}
your sweeping statement that "this blog is full of factual errors and twist" are you referring to just this one article, or the blog in its entirety?

Yes, I was referring to your last entry on Ungdomshuset, not your blog in general. Of course.

This building had been squatted in by this group calling itself Ungdomshuset since the early eighties, and during this time they have not paid a bean in rent. That is why they are called squatters.

Come on, they are not that kind of squatters. They made a deal with city hall long ago and it has worked out just fine. It isn't financed by some insane variable interest loan holding anyone by a silken thread to make revenue which is good. It's kind of like Christiania - they have just made an alternative pact with society. Unfortunately, that isn't good enough for the dark minded people taking over.

Actually, in responding to your statement, I initially thought you were referring to the overblown silly little thing about one electricity bill that had gone unpaid for some time due to negligence.

The act of opposing the application of the law by way of large physical presence meant it was never to going to be anything other then confrontational and they knew this. ... To get the police to react first in order to gain the moral high ground is old as the hills and most people can see through it.

Gandhi approved of "large physical presence". Anyway, it was just a demonstration. But following the police attack fear spread that they would attempt raiding the house.

As for the getting the police to react first thing... I don't agree with everything the protesters did. It does seem a bit silly to break these two paragraphs to allow the police attacking.

If you watch that footage and see that the police (human beings too, quite possibly with children) were still in that van being attacked by that mob in such an aggressive and hate filled way I would suggest that if anything, the police showed a lot of restraint.

I don't think they showed restraint at all. They launched two or three larger scale attacks. They only pulled back when they realized that was really what would stop the rioting.

Of course being a cop is just another job in some way. But there is a reason they aren't gardeners.

I also experienced the Brøndby IF fans rioting in Parken some time ago. Funny, because that made me think the exact same things you are here.

The punks too are just humans. They have children and parents and siblings too. Loved ones. They feel they got beaten up and arrested for standing up for what they believe is right. (Even main stream media have pointed out how this court ruling isn't exactly fair and could fit a wee bit too well into a right wing cultural war. Also, there is the whole issue about the sect wanting to level Denmarks oldest union house to the ground...)

If I were in the situation they were in there (and I have been in the past as a former soldier) I would have felt the life of my colleague and I was in imminent danger and I would not have hesitated to use my firearm, and I would have had the full backing of the law to do so.

No, you wouldn't.

How dangerous is a plastic balloon filled with paint and sticks to drum the armour of the riot vehicles really? Cobble stones are a bit nasty, yes.

But actually the whole thing almost strikes me as a kind of show. TV2 get their footage and viewers staring at the screen. Ungdomshuset get their attention. The police get to use their otherwise dusted riot gear and secure their budget.

In conclusion, Mr Hansen, it is you are full of factual errors and twists.

I may or may not bother to deconstruct your sorry version of the "truth" later.

Thank you for your compliment on my English. Yours isn't so bad either :)

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    #6.2 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:16 AM EST
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    {"commentId":449424,"authorDomain":"manofhood"}

    Great job, Benno.

    Btw I found this because of our mutual friend The Sentinel...

    What made the Sentinel go ape@!$%# was my article:

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    Reply#7 - Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:47 PM EST
    {"commentId":450093,"authorDomain":"benno"}

    Riots in Copenhagen: The truth victimized yet again

    - «Why are you fighting?» one of the protesters was asked.

    - «I'm fighting for my right to be who I am. The Danish state has attacked all experimental or alternative cultural places, schools and theatres. This is about more than just a house. I'm fighting for my right to be different in Denmark!»

    And here, in my unhumble opinion, we are at the core of the matter.

    I agree.

    The core of the matter is the elitist rule. The growing ignorance, intolerance and close mindedness. The near public acceptance of our country buying a contract for a company by going to war. And the conservative people hailing the owner of that company when he gets a permit to build an ugly opera house in the middle of medieval Copenhagen (for a mere fraction of his war revenue) leaving expenses (no doubt thousands of times the budget Ungern is run at) for running the place to the Copenhagen tax payers.

    I'm pissed off and so are a lot of other people.

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      #7.1 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:39 AM EST
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      {"commentId":449570,"authorDomain":"manofhood"}

      At midnightfire "dot" blogspot "dot" com

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      Reply#8 - Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:40 PM EST
      {"commentId":449773,"authorDomain":"trueblue1212"}

      You were not referred to this article because of me, conversely the author of this article found me through you. Presumably because you'd not have any real idea about the nonsense you were spouting but you thought this guy would do a 'good job.' And he didn't.

      Facts are facts and the truth is in the facts.

      I am not sure why you are guiding people to your blog either, unless it is because you suspect that only people that affirm your 'beliefs' will visit, because otherwise they are really wasting their time.

      If anyone dares to post a comment you do not like you not only delete the ones you cannot contend, but very bizarrely, cut and paste the reminder and re-post them as anonymous.

      Very underhanded, very strange, very fascist.

      You clearly do not believe in free speech and that is why you act as the great censor.

      In short you are a hypocrite.

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      #8.1 - Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:43 PM EST
      {"commentId":450089,"authorDomain":"benno"}

      Don't waste your time arguing this. Sentinel, I found your blog entry by Googling the subject. What really ticked me off (besides your lying about Ungern) was your effort in describing another blogger, Amos Keppler, as "fascist". Not sympathetic at all.

      It's so funny how extreme right wingers like you are so busy using the word "truth" and pointing fingers at opponents screaming "fascist". In all honesty, all it tells me is you are a lying nazi. Honestly. Sorry for not wrapping up my words.

      To both of you: welcome to Newsvine. Consider using this site to get wiser while still using your Google blogs. I too have a blog at Google Blogger - it's about FC Copenhagen :) Ad revenues here are a 1000 times higher or something like that, lol.

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        #8.2 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:26 AM EST
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        {"commentId":450430,"authorDomain":"trueblue1212"}

        You googled it and then, by way of a Christmas miracle, Amos Keppler just stumbles upon this story. Of course. That's your story and your sticking to it.

        Under your own (stolen) 10 defining features of fascism you qualify under at least four:

        1) Disagreement is treason (You sought out dissenters to your version of events)

        2)Obsessions with conspiracy theories (It wasn't the court order that sparked the riots, but right wing christians, Government intolerance, closet Nazis in power etc etc)

        3)Speaking to people's emotions (patos) encouraging mass hysteria (Call anyone who diagrees a Nazi, once they are put into that neat little box anything they say can be disregarded)

        4)Anything can be used to argument in favour of war (Spin any angle about the rights of squatters in order that they and their ilk can wage war against society)

        I notice that you are unable to comment on the article I published in response to your comments, so you feel the need to vent abuse instead.

        Rent paying not an issue? It was central to the whole thing.

        As for me being a Nazi, how puerile, how childish. By your own admission you have only read one article in my blog and at no point is race mentioned let alone the Nordic supremacist version of the Nazis that was so readily embraced by your countrymen during the war, with thousands joining the SS. Your country did not even put up a fight to stop the Nazis.

        Whereas mine, grandparents included, fought tooth and nail and very nearly lost everything to prevent Nazi rule in Europe, including Denmark. We have only just finished paying off the war debt this week.

        If I were you I would keep very quiet about Nazi's.

        But I notice that you a Dane of the ginger variety, which means that your ancestors are not Vikings but Viking 'booty' from the north sea coast and that explains a lot of your scorn for your fellow countrymen.

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          Reply#9 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:20 AM EST
          {"commentId":450549,"authorDomain":"benno"}

          OK. This is getting ridiculous. But let me just say a few things before getting drunk.

          a) I did not seek out dissenters to "my version" of the events. I have no idea what you are trying to suggest. I seek out any information and point of view to be as informed as possible, put it in order inside my head and deconstruct people's arguments. Me subscribing to anything like the "disagreement is treason" trademark of fascism is extremely silly. And I take offense at that suggestion.
          b) The rest of you accusations? Well, if anyone believe you...
          c) You are perfectly right about Denmark being a Nazi friendly country. Kind of clever to have thousands join the resistance movement within weeks before the British liberation, huh? As I'm anti-nationalist, I have no hard feelings here.
          d) I have no idea what you are trying to suggest about my race or ancestry and I couldn't care less. Since you do, my doubts about you have been consolidated. Were you trying to suggest I am an ancestor of slaves (træl)? And put me down by that? What are you thinking, man!?
          e) You can call me a commie all you will (not that you have) and I won't be crying out about some internet freak accusing me of approving of Pol Pot's slaughters or Stalins evil or whatever.

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            #9.1 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:10 PM EST
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            {"commentId":450776,"authorDomain":"trueblue1212"}

            OK, I am already drunk and you are ridiculous. But before I slip into unconsciousness I would just like to say a few things:

            a) You left factually inaccurate comments on my blog because you disagreed with the content. That's fine, I defend freedom of speech. I say you found it by referral, you say you sought it out. Either ways, you did not deconstruct the central thesis; instead you left bold statements with no foundation.

            b) You have decided to label me a Nazi, again with no foundation, merely because I do not agree with your analysis of the events that took place.

            c) You concede that Gideon Polya's comments above "seem like a crazy rant of a conspiracy theory madman" (because it is) but then agree with the comments anyway, presumably because they fit your pre-packed version of events.

            d) The Danish army would have better served the Danish people by resisting the Nazi's by way of conventional arms, as was their duty, instead of waiting till they had been subjugated by that power. In any event, thousands of them donned the uniform of the SS and many more joined the ranks of civil administration and aided the Nazi occupation. The resistance uprising, in common with the French marquis 'uprising' did occur, strangely, only weeks before the liberation by the British.

            e) The træl thing I picked up from Danish relatives and friends (admittedly it is more of an Icelandic preoccupation though) and was mentioned because invariably wherever I find people who express that they are anti-nationalists I find people who have reason to fear nationalism.

            d) I did not place any label upon you, I merely stated that in your own regurgitated definition of fascism you fall in under four of them.

            OK, anymore for anymore...

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            Reply#10 - Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:39 PM EST
            {"commentId":452242,"authorDomain":"benno"}

            I don't agree with anything you have written. I would still testify to the factual errors in your version of the riot story. I resent your apparent political (nationalist, racist) views. But I cannot be bothered with your pathetic comments any more. Now that you mention Gideon, did you notice he lists numbers and facts to support his arguments? Amazing, huh!?

            Regarding the nature of your comments, please remember the Newsvine Code of Honor. If you want to attack me personally, I think you have to challenge me to the Arena of Death, I think. Much of the stuff you have brought into this thread would already belong there.

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              #10.1 - Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:46 AM EST
              {"commentId":452409,"authorDomain":"trueblue1212"}

              I am glad you cannot be bothered anymore, because you have nothing real to say anyway.

              The comments are pathetic because you do not agree with them, no more no less.

              If you had read my refutation of your assertions properly (after your hit and run comment on my blog) you would have seen that most of it was taken at source from Ungdomshuset. It contained all the facts you needed. What did you want, a scholarly discourse on the history and merits of squatting?

              The core of your argument was "The not-paying-rent part is false. Simple as that" and when I proved to you they were squatters of their own admission you said "Come on, they are not that kind of squatters" And you have the front to accuse me of twisting facts!?

              If you read the other articles in my blog before labelling me a Nazi or accusing me of lacking substance you would have seen that all of them are reasoned and referenced.

              As for the 'arena of death', bring it one my ginger friend.

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                #10.2 - Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:46 PM EST
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                {"commentId":454904,"authorDomain":"benno"}
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                  Reply#11 - Mon Jan 1, 2007 6:30 PM EST
                  {"commentId":464193,"authorDomain":"benno"}

                  A few more details of this unfortunate day has been described in the comments thread for another article, RIOT - Just do it.

                  And the rumor mill says the kindergarden right next to Ungdomshuset has just been evacuated and that this is taken as a sign a major riot and eviction is impending.

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                  Reply#12 - Mon Jan 8, 2007 7:40 AM EST
                  {"commentId":500350,"authorDomain":"benno"}

                  Latest development is an idea to donate another house has wrecked: Squatters decline new digs.

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                  Reply#13 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:23 AM EST
                  {"commentId":506672,"authorDomain":"benno"}

                  A bit of following up...

                  Indymedia NL / prisoners copenhagen riots

                  Still four people remain in jail for this action! After the mass arrests in December, almost everybody was released from prison. The Danish people were released within 24 hours, and the rest within two weeks. Four friends are still inside though and need our support. Instead of the others, they had to stay inside untill the 11th of january. After this, their sentence was prolongued for two weeks more. The 25th of january there was a new courtcase in which they got two more weeks again. Nothing is clear yet about the arguments the authorities have to hold them so long. A 'real' courtcase has still not been held.
                  The only real reason to keep them is repression ofcourse, the cops, state and juridical system working together to give an example by punishing a few people they picked out. Appearently that's the only way to justify the brutal way they gassed and hit people who were demonstrating in solidarity of non-commercial, autonomous spaces and against the capitalist system that is exploiting and supressing us.
                  Don't forget about these political prisoners in the Copenhagen jail!

                  Blog black shores / hail, hail! The whole story over again more or less and then this:

                  a spokesperson for the collective made this statement: "No matter what country we are in we are all fighting the same battle, which is for the right to do stuff in the way that we do it. And when we listen to each other, which we are quite good at, we see people in other countries having the exact same struggle. This normalizing everything tendency that there is in Denmark, happens all over Europe. We see it in Alter Meirei in Germany, and we see it in Blitz in Oslo and we had a mail from Japan the other day from this squat getting evicted too, saying we're having the same fight as you are. It's a worldwide thing."
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                    Reply#14 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 12:11 PM EST
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