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Watching The Matrix. Again. And again...

The Ultimate Matrix Collection. Ten DVDs. Dirt cheap.

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There is some fiction in your truth,
and some truth in your fiction.

On a scale from 1 to 10, I rate The Ultimate Matrix Collection 10 DVDs box somewhere around 9000. But of course, I loved the movies already. Chances are you don't. Because this trilogy never got the worship it deserves. They sell this box dirt cheap now, so there is no excuse: buy it.

I and The Matrix

I watched the first movie [Wikipedia, IMDb] back when it was released last millennium like most decent people. I liked it too. Of course. Biblical references - cool. Rehash of Plato cave fable - cool. Awesome kung fu - cool.

But I didn't trip half as much as the Christians. They were going crazy. Here they had their Jesus story gift wrapped for the young computer geek generation to swallow. Never mind the Messiah figure flirting a chick called Trinity clad in leather. Never mind the heroes beating up cops half the time. I guess you could say it did have something for most of us.

Four years later I was blown away by The Matrix Reloaded [Wikipedia, IMDb]. First of all I guess I was physically pushed back in my cinema seat like some kind of jet take-off. Second, the story was obviously deep enough for you to quickly realize you'd have to enjoy it several times to fully grasp it.

In the true spirit of Neo, I went home and downloaded a copy. The Korean subtitles just added to the overall hacker look and feel of it. I watched the thing over and over again. I read thousands of posts on Internet discussion forums. And I ended up doing a rather long email correspondence with a certified Christian, who'd loved the first movie but was critical of the sequel. The reason the Christians rejected Reloaded was part of the reason I really loved it. Why?

For the obvious reason that it's basically about Jesus fighting God. My Christian buddy had a bit of difficulty accepting that twist to the story. I still have the email around in which he ends up saying that it's perfectly fine to edit the Bible because some of it may have been inspired by "wrong sources". I guess that's logical. Some of these evangelical dudes could have been talking to Satan not God. But doesn't that leave the people interpreting the thing word for word with a bit of a problem?

I watched the scene with Neo talking to The Architect over and over again. I'd wake in the morning and have an inner voice going on...

I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. [...] The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version. [...] The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. [...] nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.

You have your Garden of Eden stuff, Creation stuff, trilogy plot revealed et cetera. All of it in words a bit too complicated for most people to really get while you're sweating about the survival of Trinity. I happened to have just finished reading something about Mayan mythology. They had their real world go under a couple of times too - including a flooding with just one man and one woman surviving. Beautiful.

Anyway, those stupid, puny and despicable reviewers thrashing it missed just that: somehow the Wachowski brothers had us geeks and sci-fi fans reading about Plato, gnosticism, Buddhism, Kant, Popper, object oriented Greek philosophy and lots of insanely trippy stuff like that. Isn't that kind of a feat in itself!? Forget about all the Oscars they didn't get and ready your Pulitzer and Nobel prices.

Later that same year The Matrix Revolutions [Wikipedia, IMDb] came out. In some ironic justice I won my cinema ticket from Microsoft. The catch was we had to sit through a .Net propaganda show. Worth it for the "when do you release a stable OS" question from the crowd though. The movie was not quite as good as I'd expected. Luckily my worst fear wasn't fulfilled: that Zion would be a "Matrix within the Matrix". That would have dumped the whole project to the ground. I probably would have left the building in rage.

My only beef with it now is they apparently put all the brainy scenes in Reloaded and all cheesy action scenes in Revolutions. None of them are composed like a standard drama. So by themselves they are not as perfect movies as the initial Matrix movie was. But as a trilogy they rule.

It is not the spoon that bends.
It is only yourself.

The Ultimate Matrix Collection

A few years go by and I notice a shop selling the 10 DVD box for practically nothing. I order it on the spot and count the days for it to arrive in the mail, and the days they spend looking for it down at the post office! They finally find it. So, what did I get from the box that I didn't get from the Korean AVI-file? A whole lot I tell you.

Obviously I got the three movies each with your typical bonus disc. And a booklet in which the Wachowski brothers promises that bonus material is more interesting than the typical "cast and crew reminisces such as, 'remember that day... they changed caterers, god, what a day that was...'" They fulfill that promise. Because first of all the movies have alternative "sound tracks" one being commentaries by Dr. Cornel West and Ken Wilber as well as some critics. So if you simply don't get the plot, you can actually have it spelled out for you.

I haven't watched all those six discs in their entirety yet. But it appears I got something good waiting. A documentary on "bullet time" - hmmm. Tons of music that I have to listen to with a crappy embedded player - hmmm. The 23 cut scenes from the computer game Enter the Matrix - yes please!

I also got The Animatrix [Wikipedia, IMDb] DVD. I never watched those because I never liked manga. Some of them are unnecessary and just lame manga-like fighting. Some of them are absolutely brilliant. Like Kid's Story by Shinichiro Watanabe. That one is amazing. And of course Final Flight of the Osiris could have been in the movies as it is actually part of the plot. Two of them, The Second Renaissance parts one and two, gives you the whole background story straight up so they are also an obligatory watch for the fan. Yes, there's a documentary on the making of the animations. OK that was seven discs.

The last three discs are in a cover called The Matrix Experience. Two of these appear to be pretty much your typical bonus disc kind of bonus discs. Which is of course fine if you're really a fan. Burly Man Chronicles appear to be exactly the typical "cast and crew reminisces such as, 'remember that day... they changed caterers, god, what a day that was...'" stuff. The Zion Archive is a collection of the "crumbs" - the trailers, storyboards, design phase drawings et cetera. I'm sure they will take away a couple of hours of my life.

And then there is The Roots of the Matrix disc. That contains two films about an hour long each. The second is computer experts and natural scientists discussing the technological aspects of the plot. Alright. But the first one is worth it's weight in gold. Return to Source: Philosophy & The Matrix: "Scholars, philosophers and theorists deconstruct the intellectual underpinnings of the trilogy."

That even includes a slightly bitter comment on Neo's character in relation to the gnostic idea. A comment my Christian buddy would probably love. Anyway, that's what it appears to me:

"At the end of the first film Neo has attained what he was supposed to attain. So he is the master. He is the adept. There is nowhere else for him to go in terms of this gnosis. And what I think the second film shows is that that may be true but the gnosis is only a means to another end. It's not an end in itself. In the first film we only get that glimpse of the really ugly, drab, horrible, real world. The desert of the real. And we spend most of the time in the realm of mentally projected images. In the second film we finally get some bodies. [...The rave/sex scene is] a celebration of embodiment. It's a celebration of physicality and sensuality. There's no ideas. There's no minds. And there's a real interesting contrast there because their dance is a ritual. It's a communal event. [...] This is their sacrament. And one of the important things about it is that it's public. Everybody's body is equal. But what Neo and Trinity are doing is dangerous because it's private, it's the elevation of a certain body over all the other bodies, and you're not fighting for the survival of the group anymore. You're fighting for this one person that you love, but he's supposed to be special. So if gnosticism is about freeing yourself from those attatchments then Neo is definitely a failure at that."
- Donna Bowman. Assistant professor of Religious Studies, The Honours College, University of Central Arkansas.

Don't worry. Her comment is clipped to go with another one explaining a bit about tantra. For some reason critics of the Reloaded movie usually mention this rave/sex scene. Get real people. That scene is essential.

And so is this box. But should you choose to go buy it?

Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.

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{"commentId":498314,"authorDomain":"benno"}

Actually, there was this one thing about the plot that always bugged me a bit: that humanity would be stupid enough to deliberately destroy the atmosphere to block the sun. (OK, that and the whole 'human batteries' thing.) But it doesn't disturb me enough to really negatively impact the impression of the movie, it's symbolism and messages.

But actually, according to this seed, the abominable thought isn't that sci-fi at all. I'm shocked.

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Reply#1 - Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:18 PM EST
{"commentId":498522,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

There were a couple things that bugged me about the movies, one was plot-related and the other was technical:

Why is it that the humans can build a city powered by geo-thermal energy, but the robots have to survive by farming humans for a tiny electrical charge? I've seen the first two movies more than once, and have never seen this explained. I saw the third once, so I might have missed it if it was explained there.

The second is that I hate Hate HATE HATE grossly overt CGI characters (in all movies, not just these). The Neo/Smith(s) fight scene in the second movie just about makes me physically ill with how bad it is.

Other than that, I tend to like the movies. I don't think they were great overall (the first movie seemed incredibly innovative when I saw it in the theaters when it was released), but they are enjoyable.

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    #1.1 - Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":499111,"authorDomain":"benno"}

    Regarding our thoughts on that technical weirdness of the plot, I think the best explanation is given in The Second Renaissance Part II:

    ...and man said: `Let there be light.' And he was blessed by light, heat, magnetism, gravity, and all the energies of the universe. The prolonged barrage engulfed Zero One in the glow of a thousand suns. But unlike their former masters with their delicate flesh, the machines had little to fear of the bombs' radiation and heat. Thus did Zero One's troops advance outwards in every direction. And one after another, mankind surrendered its territories. So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet. A final solution - the destruction of the sky.

    "Let there be light"!? Very funny. The narrator is talking about Man engaging a totally counter productive nuclear attack on Zero One (which was a city in the Middle East built by Machines as their first refuge).

    Thus would man try to cut the machines off from the sun - their main energy source. May there be mercy on man and machine for their sins.

    Well, sunlight just happened to be the main source of power for Machines. I guess they were just smarter than Man! So, it temporary gives Man the upper hand on the battlefield. The fallacies of the tactic should be obvious and in the end the Machines were of course victorious.

    The machines, having long studied man's simple, protein-based bodies, dispensed great misery upon the human race. Victorious, the machines now turned to the vanquished. Applying what they had learned about their enemy, the machines turned to an alternate and readily available power supply: the bioelectric, thermal, and kinetic energies of the human body. A newly refashioned symbiotic relationship between the two adversaries was born. The machine, drawing power from the human body - an endlessly multiplying, infinitely renewable energy source.

    I have seen terribly long blog posts (typically by physics students I think) going on and on about how this couldn't happen. That is boring. When was the last time you saw a 100% realistic science fiction movie? Actually it all boils down to fiction always having some fallacies. Period. The philosophical messages in the movies are more important. But of course, if someone is subscribing to some of the dogmas criticized by the messages in the movies, perhaps it'd be the easiest way out to try and find apparent plot line errors. The terms set forth by the victorious Machine battle commander are cinematic extraordinaire as well as a beautifully boiled down version of some of the core message of the story:

    Your flesh is a relic, a mere vessel. Hand over your flesh, and a new world awaits you. We demand it.

    As for your thoughts on "grossly overt CGI characters" it (if I understand you correctly) reminds me of the criticism of Keanu Reeves' acting which some people thinks are void of emotion. What you have to remember is that Neo is part Machine and Agent Smith is just a (self replicating virus-like) programme.

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    #1.2 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:39 AM EST
    {"commentId":499206,"authorDomain":"spiffie"}

    It's not a criticism of Keanu's acting ability. I actually kind of like Keanu. (C'mon, he was Ted! How could you not like the guy.) It just seems to me that some directors these days are trying to rely on CGI to get shots cheaply and more easily than they could with live shots, but that they are pushing the CGI envelope to a degree that the tech cannot support yet. The CGI fight scene in the second movie is cartoony and fake. I completely destroys my suspension of disbelief as I watch the movie, and makes it ... false. That's all I meant.

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    #1.3 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:07 AM EST
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    {"commentId":499041,"authorDomain":"ZenAid"}

    BH, good article and it's certainly spurred me, a die-hard Matrix fan, to buy the box set. I don't know what I relished more - the movies themselves or the hours-long discussions afterwards with my friends about their mythology. I don't know a single soul who didn't get the Messianic drift.

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    Reply#2 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:36 AM EST
    {"commentId":499114,"authorDomain":"benno"}

    Thank you.

    I think I may have to do a second one: "Why Revolutions is a good movie" :)

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    #2.1 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:45 AM EST
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    {"commentId":499127,"authorDomain":"keld"}

    Great review, Benno. Is it still possible to buy the box at a cheap price? If so, where?

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    Reply#3 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:58 AM EST
    {"commentId":499455,"authorDomain":"trueblue1212"}

    I have a friend who seems to believe that the matrix series is the akin to the new bible. He remembers and recites quotes from the film and applies it to everyday life.

    Of course, if that floats his boat then that is up to him, but I just think it was good commercial entertainment, ambiguously written to allow for viewer interpretation and embellishment according to personality and experience; and cleverly left open to over-analysis in order to perpetrate the film and ultimately to increase its profitability.

    Am I just an ageing cynic?

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    Reply#4 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:46 PM EST
    {"commentId":499623,"authorDomain":"benno"}
    good commercial entertainment, ambiguously written to allow for viewer interpretation and embellishment according to personality and experience; and cleverly left open to over-analysis in order to perpetrate the film and ultimately to increase its profitability

    Sounds like the bible to me ;)

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    #4.1 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:32 PM EST
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    {"commentId":499465,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

    I will respectfully disagree with you on the Animatrix, because I am a fan of the genre and was delighted by the recognition of its influence on the original design of The Matrix film.

    But my real (semi-spoiler-free) question, before going out looking for the box set myself:

    Do they explain the significance of the last scene (in machine city) at the end of Matrix Revolutions?

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    Reply#5 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:50 PM EST
    {"commentId":499617,"authorDomain":"benno"}

    I don't mean to imply I don't like the Animatrix disc! I do like it. But I have been a fan of European comics since before I could read, so I have a bit of a hard time digging into the style used in World Record and Program (I think it is) etc.

    As for explaining the final scene there is actually a short clip with Keanu having his eyes removed and scars added by the make up artist. He's talking to himself and people around him pondering the scene. And of course there is the commented sound tracks you could try to listen to. I bet that would give you clues the size of a Boeing jet or something.

    I haven't watched/heard it yet myself though. But now you mention it, maybe I should hurry up. I have merrily postponed it knowing I have some good stuff waiting right there on the shelf. But the first time I watched the movie, I just thought he returned to source, leaving behind his misfit android life now that Trinity was dead too anyway. He's becoming this light thingy, entering nirvana perhaps, the material of creation sort of thing...

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    #5.1 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:29 PM EST
    {"commentId":501325,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

    I was more familiar with the artistic style used in Program and World record as it reflects a recent trend in schools of anime that were actually trying to adopt a style more european in design. The juxtapostion of all the pieces in the Animatrix can be jarring if you try to watch them without a reflective break (or the used of mind altering substances). But I found the whole set similar to the movie Heavy Metal, all the stories following a central theme, but using the differences in animation styles as one of the elements to tell the stories.

    Your explanation of Neo's fate comes close to my interpretation of the scene as well, but I thought it left some disturbing metapyshical loose ends tacked on at the end of the movie, which left the overall story unresolved to me.

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    #5.2 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:21 PM EST
    {"commentId":501352,"authorDomain":"benno"}

    He he... "disturbing metapyshical loose ends". I like. By the way: from the mud hole in which Neo and Smith has their final fight, The Oracle appears. The three of them had merged, kind of. No? She's what's left after Neo cancels out Smith. Or perhaps they are still in there somewhere? Yeah, it's a trip.

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      #5.3 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:45 PM EST
      {"commentId":505721,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

      Well, (spoiler alert) ...

      after what Smith did to the Oracle, it made the rest of his takeover attempt easier.

      Smith would have kept her close by to use her skills against Neo when he was going to eventually come back to the Matrix to save everyone else. (Remember the lines where he was talking about having forseen his victory in the fight?)

      Smith had merged with everyone, which sort of made him like god (in the Matrix) to everyone except Neo (and possibly the architect). After the final fight, everything gets "re-booted" back to the point before Smiths ultimate takeover, with the Oracle left behind at that spot because the system could not revert her particular code back to where it had been (there were several characters like that in the story though, rogue programs who could choose to ignore the overall system to a limited degree). When Smith took over a "normal" program, it just became another Agent Smith (with its past experiences), but when he takes over a rogue program, he became Smith+Oracle (or plus whatever other rogue he was able to absorb).

      (IIRC, wasn't the little girl "Sati" also there to find the Oracle after the fight? Which might be another indication of the nature of rogue programs with relation to events in the Matrix).

      Or perhaps they are still in there somewhere?

      That question plays too closely to the "Matrix inside a matrix" idea to me. Perhaps the question should be phrased, "Is there more to the reality that they existed in than even the real world was able to show?"

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      #5.4 - Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:27 PM EST
      {"commentId":506179,"authorDomain":"benno"}

      Great spoiler/analysis, Cary.

      Sati is interesting because she's "made" by two other programs who realize they love her. Yes, she meets with The Oracle. They sit and watch the sunrise and Sati says she made it. So, in a way the machines invent aestetics by way of this little girl. Or something like that.

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        #5.5 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 6:37 AM EST
        {"commentId":506601,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

        Yet, the act of "love" that created Sati makes her as unique a character in the Matrix as Neo himself, both were created from a desire (or plan) to exceed the imposed framework, and produce something that could no longer be predictable in terms of the virtual or real worlds.

        Meeting Sati (and understanding her existence) was meant to be a lesson for Neo; but at the end of the story, meeting Neo (and understanding what he represented) was also meant as a lesson for Sati, and an understanding by the machines of their own potential.

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        #5.6 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:28 AM EST
        {"commentId":506624,"authorDomain":"benno"}

        I guess you're right about the uniqueness of Sati, except I don't know if there was a plan with her. Other than her parent programs going, "hey we have bodies, let's have sex!" Or what? Neo is more than that - isn't he like some kind of error catching function to The Architect? Kind of like what Persephone used to be?

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          #5.7 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:44 AM EST
          {"commentId":507194,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

          Desire in the case of Sati's parents, Plan in the case of the Architect.

          What the Architect claimed Neo was does not necessarily ring true, especially since Neo proved to be able to make his own choices in the matter, beyond the initial expectations laid out before him.

          Neo was a human who had been given (or developed) abilities like the machines. Whose existence may or may not have been part of a larger plan.

          Sati was a machine (a program?) who was created as an expression of human-like traits, whose existence in the matrix was no more directed by the other machines than any human inhabitant. Her existence was certainly not part of a larger plan on the part of the matrix itself, but her being there may have served (or not served) some larger purpose.

          Plan vs Purpose, pre-determination vs free-will?

          To me, they were similar beings brought into the situation from different directions. That doesn't mean there was some connection between them, but they were both important for looking at the story from different points of view.

          Anyway, I am probably getting too exestintial for someone who does not have the box set, but now I will have to save up for it to see if my speculation actually jibes with the creators intentions.

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          #5.8 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 4:35 PM EST
          {"commentId":507405,"authorDomain":"benno"}

          Great thoughts again. Except don't you forget there has been five Neos before the one we follow in the movie?

          I don't think you're getting too existential at all and I don't think the box is required for that either. What we have been discussing could be derived from watching the three main movies only. Only thing I've been thinking is, the below comment on Persephone... in the movie all kissing she gets done is on Neo. But in Enter the Matrix she gets to kiss Ghost and/or Niobe, which adds quite a bit on their relationships. Another thing: Ghost and none other than Trinity goes into some kind of virtual reality sex simulator - I assume - that's a trip. Quite a contrast to the Reloaded sex scene. (Disclaimer: I only watched the thing once, and I was like "what the...")

          Anyway, why don't you copy/paste this entire discussion thread into an article, edit it a bit, meditate on it, edit it again, and post it.

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            #5.9 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 6:40 PM EST
            {"commentId":511687,"authorDomain":"cqtech"}

            According to the Architect (who we should have reason to question), there were five other incarnations of the Matrix, each better than the last, with a chosen "One" placed in the system to help expose the flaws in the framework to allow for building a better (less "perfect") version the next time around.

            There have been five "Ones", five candidates who reached the level to be considered the "ONE", but (afaik) we can't say that they were all named Neo, or that they were the only candidates in each generation of the matrix capable of becoming the ONE. (The fact that other rebels like Morpheus could learn to manipulate the system would indicate that, either the flaws in the system could allow such people to "level up" naturally, or the capability was instilled by the Architect into many people in the hope that one would result in the being he needed to complete his task).

            Both Persephone and the Merovingian were characters that I would have liked to see explored further in the course of the story, not the least because they provided such fine performances.

            I may take you up on that invitation, with an extra meditate on it thrown in for good measure. Thank you for the suggestion.

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            #5.10 - Sun Feb 4, 2007 2:26 PM EST
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            {"commentId":499647,"authorDomain":"benno"}

            Just a quick bonus material bonus comment: I failed to suficiently express how the bonus discs are better than the usual bonus disc. (Or maybe I'm just used to pure crap bonus discs?) It is interesting watching the documentaries on the making of the movies, because they were so ground breaking.

            But in particular, I just watched The Exiles from the Reloaded bonus disc. That is a little 15 minute gem. Here we have the actors of those characters explain their roles in the movie. Persephone and The Merovingian are the most interesting. They are very central characters of course.

            Persephone is not human, but she wants to feel human emotions. She's like a vampire. Instead of sucking blood, she sucks emotions and feelings from human beings. [...] For me Matrix is much more than an action movie. It's a story about love. It's a philosophy of life.
            - Monica Bellucci

            And I personally find it interesting that Monica Bellucci is sexier than her character! But don't underestimate that little girl playing Sati. Her explanaition of the train station scenes is cute. And The Architect has his own little docu clip.

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            Reply#6 - Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:04 PM EST
            {"commentId":500347,"authorDomain":"tomoo"}

            You have watched it so many times, and yet you could not find the most important conection to reality. Have you ever read "carlos castaneda"? Or this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid. There are other mentions in may different cultures, some tribes in Africa also believe the reptilian humanoid aliens are real, and they see them in their spiritual rituals.

            The basic premise is that we are not at the end of the food chain. There are races of alien creatures that have controlled humans for hundreds of thousands of years (up to 400), they supposedly feed from our emotional energies, and they themselves do not feel much emotions. Some claim that to this day control human society, causing wars and suffering to make people produce negative energy, so that they could feed. In that theory we are like cattle.
            There are also ancient stories saying that this very race created the human kind. In that sense they would be the creator of this world. This is also consistant with some parts of the scrolls from Nag Hammadi library.

            As bizzare as it sounds, I have doubted it myself, so much so that I ridiculed it for myself. Today I changed my mind, because I have heard people very close to me describing these creatures, even though these people never heard of them.

            Another thing decribed in the matrix, in my opinion is the existence of a ruling structure, one that could be identified as the "illuminati".

            To support these theories, I will re-quote you:

            the machines turned to an alternate and readily available power supply: the bioelectric, thermal, and kinetic energies of the human body. A newly refashioned symbiotic relationship between the two adversaries was born. The machine, drawing power from the human body
            Persephone is not human, but she wants to feel human emotions. She's like a vampire. Instead of sucking blood, she sucks emotions and feelings from human beings.

            So, yes, the matrix has a whole lot to offer...
            If any of you read up on these things, I'd be gratefull if you post your opinions here.

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              Reply#7 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:20 AM EST
              {"commentId":500371,"authorDomain":"benno"}

              I have The Teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge by Carlos Castaneda right here with me. I don't remember it saying anything about aliens let alone aliens feeding on humans. I have discussed his - fictious, by the way - works with people who read most of it. I don't remember them talking about aliens either.

              So, "the most important conection to reality" is something you have to demonstrate my friend. I'd appreciate an article. I'd like to get educated on what Castaneda has got to do with "reality" in the conservative meaning of the word. And where in the Matrix trilogy do you see reptiles? I fear I may have to adjust my tin foil hat here.

              I have heard people very close to me describing these creatures, even though these people never heard of them

              Are you for real, buddy? Get some sleep and consider elaborating on you column.

              I do not think the Zion Archive and Monica Bellucci qoutes support your claim at all. The first is just an explanation of the background story of why the human race has been enslaved in pods. The second is Monica putting her own words on the Persephone character (an exile; an early attempt by the machines to implement a humanoid programme to investigate the nature of human psyche).

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                #7.1 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:52 AM EST
                {"commentId":500708,"authorDomain":"tomoo"}

                Sorry, I didn't quite explain myself, I should have expressed it better. The part of castanedas work that seemed to me to have a strong connection with those other things I mentioned was the part about "the eagle", and the other reality that most people don't see or believe exists. If I'm not mistaken, the point of being a "warrior" is in some part to become free of the eagle. I do realize he wasn't describing reptiles, but another level of reality, of existance that is hard to reach but still reachable for us, and where we see our own predator.

                The part where I see reptiles in the matrix trilogy is in the machines. As a metaphor, the matrix means that the whole human civilisation is controlled, that our reality is only a phasade, and that while we are obedient and believe in it, we cannot be set free. The machines in that way keep us under control, and exploit our body energy. If you simply switch from body warmth to emotional energy, you have a story that is strangely similar to the story of reptiles.

                A strong corelation between the matrix and for instance D.Ickes stories are the "agents". They are actually machines taking a human form, and they control the whole matrix. In Ickes theories there are many claims that a good part of the human ruling elite is are actually reptile creatures taking a human form, and doing the exactly same thing, controling the matrix. If you dig deeper into the topic of the illuminati, (and for example, the alternative explanation for the communit movement, and how it began) you might find that there actually is a group of people and families controlling the whole world. You might not, but it's only a question of time, if you dig deep enough.

                Are you for real, buddy? Get some sleep and consider elaborating on you column.

                I might do that, but I doubt many people would stop themselves from closing the page after reading the first few sentences. So I thought it more usefull to discuss this with people who do for instance apreciate matrix as a not so science fictional movie.

                I am for real, and no, I am not delusional. A person who I grew up with told me a couple of days ago that something strange often happens to her before she falls asleep. She expiriences a sleep paralysis, and then she feels very cold all of the sudden. After that, she feels like something very heavy sat on her chest and drained all her energy out. She told me this because she had been told by a friend of hers that the friend also expirienced this. The friend herd a "folk saying" that you should allways cross your legs when going to sleep if you sleep on your back, and then this won't happend to you. She told me all of this before I even mentioned the reptilian stories.

                That is only a part. I also witnessed people describing nightmares with similar expiriences, only, most of them would never admit it was a nightmare, because they weren't asleep when this happened. Some of those cases clearly states that the person would see a creature looking like a cross breed of humans and crocodiles, that was attacking them. These people never actually read or heard of the legends of the reptilians.

                I understand Monica was describing in her own words what she thought of Persephone, and I suppose she was instructed by the directors as to the nature of her character, and the part saying Persephone was a character trying to suck emotions and feelings from people didn't come from nowhere. It simply rang a strong bell to me.

                I understand all the critisicm and rejection of all this stuff I wrote, because it took me more than a year of exploring and reading that I came to be of this opinion, and it is very far from the common parameter of thought in modern civilisation. That fact still, is not a good reason to discard the theory, facts and arguments, if provided, should be. I hope I clarified my point a bit.

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                #7.2 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:12 PM EST
                {"commentId":500851,"authorDomain":"benno"}

                That did clarify your points, but I don't really know if to answer all of it.

                I want to say something real quick though. That a) the Matrix trilogy borrows heavily from all kinds of religions, philosophies and mythologies and b) disliking or being scared of reptiles is very common, perhaps even kind of hardwired into many hominoids, thus reptilic antagonists of all kinds are common in fiction and myth. So, a similarity in theme shouldn't be really that surprising. Hell, there are even reptilic hominoids in Conan, but you don't see me drawing out the similarities there.

                The similar "free your mind" message in both Teachings of Don Juan and The Matrix are quite obvious.

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                  #7.3 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:27 PM EST
                  {"commentId":501620,"authorDomain":"tomoo"}

                  Yes, that makes sense.

                  Yet, the very fact you said that fear of reptilian antagonists might be hardwired into many humanoids makes my "hair jump". :) Funny.

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                  #7.4 - Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:57 PM EST
                  {"commentId":506617,"authorDomain":"benno"}

                  All I meant was snakes, crocodiles etc have been dangerous to man for millions of years. So people who avoided them must have had a higher survival rate.

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                    #7.5 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 11:39 AM EST
                    {"commentId":507481,"authorDomain":"tomoo"}

                    Yes, I got that. Still, I apparently see things from a different perspective now. :)

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                    #7.6 - Thu Feb 1, 2007 7:17 PM EST
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                    {"commentId":620760,"authorDomain":"benno"}

                    I guess the reason the box is getting cheaper is the upcoming HD version.

                    Daily Tech / The Matrix Trilogy to Hit HD DVD Before Blu-ray

                    Sohood / The Ultimate Matrix Collection

                    ...The Matrix, the first DVD to sell one million copies [and the first DVD to get de-CSS'ed ;-) - Benno] ...
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                    Reply#8 - Tue Apr 3, 2007 12:19 PM EDT
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