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"All wars are fought over natural resources"

Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:50 AM EST
world-news, war, peace, poverty, conflict, ecology, migration, natural-resources, ecowar, research-blogging
By Benno Hansen

Photo by Jayel Aheram. (License: Creative Commons Attribution)

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Driving home from a visit to a community gardening project this controversial statement was made by the local permaculture guru. A bit over-simplified I thought to myself. Well, I've been keeping an eye open...

Since July 2007 I have been posting to Ecowar, a blog at Blogspot, whenever I encountered news and information supporting (or countering) the statement linking human conflict to spoils of the Earth. And I have actively sought out this type of information. Still am too.

Because I am experiencing his statement gaining weight. Evidence is aplenty. Anecdotal as well as statistically or politically significant. Let me introduce you to one of each of the latter.

Climate change statistically correlated with wars

My very first post was about a Chinese study correlating climate change with wars throughout history. A statistically significant correlation supporting the "All wars are fought over natural resources" statement - wow!

That post was based on a news article. Later I joined the Research Blogging project and did a post based on the original research article from Human Ecology - Climate change and conflict frequency.

While far from a conclusive proof of the validity of the statement statistically significant correlations is essential if to address this rationally. And this is a good one of many more to come, I suspect.

United Nations Secretary-General says it himself

Well, not exactly. But almost. His statement given while on his way to Congo circles the topic while addressing a number of related issues:

"We have seen how environmental damage and the collapse of institutions are threatening human health, livelihoods and security. These risks can also jeopardize fragile peace and development in post-conflict societies. The environment and natural resources are crucial in consolidating peace within and between war-torn societies.

The United Nations attaches great importance to ensuring that action on the environment is part of our approach to peace. Protecting the environment can help countries create employment opportunities, promote development and avoid a relapse into armed conflict. On this International Day, let us renew our commitment to preventing the exploitation of the environment in times of conflict, and to protecting the environment as a pillar of our work for peace."

What can I say? Well said, Moon!

And the Congo conflict he was on his way to discuss is about - among many other issues - the control of timber, water, diamonds and cobalt.

Common sense?

Of course, we are being told our wars are fought to quell "evil terrorists" and "spread democracy". But we also see our society's craving for fossil fuel plays some role too. Everyone but the most MSM-baked fool, that is.

Oil conflicts include Iraq, Afghanistan, the Arctic, Georgia... even Somalia... many others. There is a coca-conflict going on in Columbia and opium is everywhere in the Afghan conflict(s) too. They are fighting over water in Israel/Palestine/Lebanon and soon many other Middle Eastern countries too. Deforestation hurts natives and poor farmers in South America, Africa, Asia and elsewhere - spreading malaria, eroding soil, creating poverty et cetera, et cetera.

Mission accomplished? The end of Ecowar.Blogspot.com? No. It has also served to cure Newsvine claustrophobia. And it's clear objective would have drowned in crazy news and sports and rants here.

Anyway, feel free to criticize my project or chip in with ideas. The man who said the words of the present headline was arguing that basically when he was growing his own potatoes he was in his own small way promoting world peace. I'm beginning to see his point. Agriculture in general definitely plays a crucial role. It's a complicated matter though. The statement is a simplification. On this year's Blog Action Day I tried to link some of the other issues surrounding poverty, not just war and environmental degradation (see Pollution, poverty, war, lights, camera... action!).

It would be ignorant not to look at any of the underlying problems in the way of world peace. What one or the other religion put in writing centuries ago has little to do with anything. Our work isn't done yet.

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Ed Wood

Of course it is true in a way. But it seems overly broad.

For instance: Your friend's potatoes. How are they promoting world peace? What if I want them? Will he give them to me? Will he sell them to me? What if he wants to keep them for himself? Will I take them by force? Will he defend himself? Who is stronger? What is my motivation? Hunger? Jealosy? Envy? Then add weapons to the equation. There are many variables to conflict including attitudes, philosophies and religions.

In the microcosm of your friend and myself an outside observer might see the potatoes as the source of conflict. But, was it really? What is the motivation of the parties involved? You could just as easily say your friend was creating confict by growing potatoes. 

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:16 PM EST
Benno Hansen

But if everyone grows potatoes, there are potatoes enough and no starving people. In his case his cat would fend off the only potential robbers: rats and mice. Of course the example is extremely philosophical. But then there was the talk about the fossil fuel used to drive back and forth...

Here is a quote from Natural resources and civil war
for you:

"reverse causality": Years of unrest could drive off manufacturing businesses in turn leading to a higher dependence on exporting natural resources. Which then in turn could fuel outright conflict. Also, we are reminded how both resource dependence and war can be caused by a third variable. Or several variables. Many states dependent on the export of some local commodity have several other issues: poverty, corruption, harsh government etc. All of which could inspire conflict.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:17 AM EST
publius76

The next natural resource to be fought over will be the most important one - Water

  • 3 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:21 PM EST
Ed Wood

If there is an efficient means for transport of goods, infrastructure, shipping, etc., and a universally accepted means of exchange of goods then there is no need to fight for resources. This is why weapons rarely cross open borders.(this is a paraphrase of a Michael Shermer quote.) I believe that the answer to peace is the right to trade in a relatively free trade system under rule of law.

    #1.3 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:00 PM EST
    Benno Hansen

    Ed Wood,

    I don't understand how your hypothetical free trade world would provide infinite resources? Please explain. I know a lot of resources - like food - theoretically is in abundance and just should be distributed more fairly, but I don't see how free trade should automatically accomplish this? And in particular I don't see how free trade should create resources where there is none (water in Sahara etc).

    • 2 votes
    #1.4 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 7:52 AM EST
    The Zombie

    Publius, water "well that is a deep subject" pun- intended... that is why I'm looking for land with a natural spring....and I'm going to build a wall around it....mine all mine......Water for sale $10 a gallon...I'll have to charge that much to pay for my armed guards....... And you guys passed up all that florida swamp land.....you non-visionaries you.........seriously, you can't drink crude no matter how much filtering you do.......and I can seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen and have fuel too..........  :)-

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 4:37 PM EST
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    energynet

    I think it was Michael Klaire who did a book about this and took it back to world war I historically.  The Brits and the US have long been playing the resource wars in the Middle East.

    If Iraq's chief product was broccoli would Bush have invaded?  (old peace slogan from the first invasion).

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 7:53 PM EST
    Barbara in Houston

    "One tin soldier rides away"

    • 2 votes
    #3 - Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:28 PM EST
    Benno Hansen

    Wow thanks a lot. Didn't know that one.

    If I had perhaps I would have put it in the sidebar like I did in Background: Homo sapiens, farmer ;-)

    • 1 vote
    #3.1 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:21 AM EST
    energynet

    Agreed! Thanks Barbara! There were a few songs like that that shown through back then...

    Abraham, Martin and John, for example!

    Couldn't resist putting  a video song up!

    • 4 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:14 AM EST
    energynet

    couldn't resist a couple of other anthems!

    John Lennon: Imagine

    • 3 votes
    #3.3 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:22 AM EST
    Dennis P. McCannDeleted
    Barbara in Houston

    Man, Dennis, blow me away.  I'm still crying.  Poignant doesn't even come close.

    'W' you ba***rd!

    • 2 votes
    #3.5 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:07 PM EST
    energynet

    Thanks Dennis!

    This is helping me build up my video library!

    War! What is it good for!

    • 1 vote
    #3.6 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:50 PM EST
    energynet

    Jefferson Airplane: Volunteers

    • 2 votes
    #3.7 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:02 PM EST
    energynet

    CSN&Y: Ohio!

    • 2 votes
    #3.8 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:08 PM EST
    energynet

    Leonard Cohen: Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • 2 votes
    #3.9 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:10 PM EST
    energynet

    Bob Dylan: Blowin' in the wind! First performance

    Joan and Bob

    Peter Paul and Mary...

    November 4th 2008 version!

    • 1 vote
    #3.10 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:33 PM EST
    energynet

    Masters of war

    • 1 vote
    #3.11 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:48 PM EST
    energynet

    Cat: Peace Train

    • 2 votes
    #3.12 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:52 PM EST
    energynet

    The Times, They are a changin'

    • 1 vote
    #3.13 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:59 PM EST
    energynet

    Simon and Garfunkel: Last Night I had the Strangest Dream

    Pete Seeger

    • 1 vote
    #3.14 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:06 PM EST
    energynet

    With God on Our Side

    • 1 vote
    #3.15 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:09 PM EST
    energynet

    Get together

    • 1 vote
    #3.16 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:14 PM EST
    energynet

    What are we fighting for?

    • 1 vote
    #3.17 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:27 PM EST
    energynet

    Dogs of War! (Pink Floyd)

    • 1 vote
    #3.18 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:32 PM EST
    energynet

    Eve of Destruction

    • 1 vote
    #3.19 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:39 PM EST
    energynet

    Phil Oches: Draft Dodger Rag

    • 1 vote
    #3.20 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:44 PM EST
    energynet

    The Fiddle and the Drum

    Joanie's version

    • 1 vote
    #3.21 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:53 PM EST
    energynet

    Jackson Browne: For America

    • 1 vote
    #3.22 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:56 PM EST
    energynet

    John Fogarty: Fortunate Son

    • 1 vote
    #3.23 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:03 PM EST
    energynet

    Jimi: Freedom

    • 1 vote
    #3.24 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:06 PM EST
    energynet

    Buffalo Springfield: For What its Worth

    • 1 vote
    #3.25 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:08 PM EST
    energynet

    Bob: Get up stand up

    • 1 vote
    #3.26 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:11 PM EST
    energynet

    John: Give Peace A Chance

    • 1 vote
    #3.27 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:13 PM EST
    energynet

    The Great Mandala

    • 1 vote
    #3.28 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:20 PM EST
    energynet

    I ain't marching anymore

    • 1 vote
    #3.29 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:31 PM EST
    energynet

    A Hard Rain is Gonna Fall

    • 1 vote
    #3.30 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:32 PM EST
    energynet

    Jackson: How Long?

    • 1 vote
    #3.31 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:41 PM EST
    energynet

    Pink Floyd: Is there anybody out there?

    • 1 vote
    #3.32 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:06 PM EST
    energynet

    Lucky Man

    • 1 vote
    #3.33 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:06 PM EST
    Barbara in Houston

    EN-ER-GY!  Wow.

    • 1 vote
    #3.34 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:21 PM EST
    energynet

    Military Madness

    • 1 vote
    #3.35 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:22 PM EST
    energynet

    U2: Peace on Earth

    • 1 vote
    #3.36 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:22 PM EST
    energynet

    Randy Newman: Political Science

    • 2 votes
    #3.37 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:27 PM EST
    energynet

    Rich Man's War

    • 2 votes
    #3.38 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:34 PM EST
    energynet

    U2: Sunday Bloody Sunday

    • 1 vote
    #3.39 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:43 PM EST
    energynet

    Dead Kennedies: Stars and Stripes of Corruption

    • 1 vote
    #3.40 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:46 PM EST
    energynet

    Dixie Chicks: Travelin' Soldier

    • 1 vote
    #3.41 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:51 PM EST
    energynet

    John Mellankamp: To Washington

    • 1 vote
    #3.42 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:55 PM EST
    energynet

    Buffy: Universal Soldier

    • 1 vote
    #3.43 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:00 AM EST
    energynet

    Woody: Viglante Man

    • 1 vote
    #3.44 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:04 AM EST
    energynet

    Pink Floyd: Us and Them

    • 1 vote
    #3.45 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:09 AM EST
    energynet

    The Doors: The Unknown Soldier

    • 1 vote
    #3.46 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:16 AM EST
    energynet

    Simon and Garfunkel: The Sounds of Silence

    • 1 vote
    #3.47 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:27 AM EST
    energynet

    Byrds: Turn Turn Turn

    Judy Collins Version

    • 1 vote
    #3.48 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:30 AM EST
    energynet

    The Animals: Sky Pilot

    • 1 vote
    #3.49 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:39 AM EST
    energynet

    Way Cool REM: End of the World as we know it

    • 1 vote
    #3.50 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:46 AM EST
    energynet

    The Beatles: Revolution

    • 1 vote
    #3.51 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:50 AM EST
    energynet

    The Beatles: Come Together

    • 1 vote
    #3.52 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:53 AM EST
    energynet

    The Beatles: All You Need is Love

    • 1 vote
    #3.53 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:56 AM EST
    energynet

    The Beatles: Let It Be

      #3.54 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:59 AM EST
      energynet

      Sing it sista: Aint gonna study war no more!

      • 1 vote
      #3.55 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:20 AM EST
      energynet

      CS&N: Teach Your Children

      • 1 vote
      #3.56 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:29 AM EST
      energynet

      Stevie Wonder & Pavarotti: Peace Just wanted to be Free

      • 1 vote
      #3.57 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:38 AM EST
      energynet

      Neil: Shock and Awe

      • 1 vote
      #3.58 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:43 AM EST
      energynet

      Fish: The Pilgrim's Address

      • 1 vote
      #3.59 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:03 AM EST
      energynet

      No Blood for Oil

      • 1 vote
      #3.60 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:03 AM EST
      energynet

      Talking Heads: Life During Wartime

      • 1 vote
      #3.61 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:30 AM EST
      energynet

      CS&N: Chicago

      • 1 vote
      #3.62 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:45 AM EST
      energynet

      Won't Get Fooled Again

      Enjoy!

      I'm sure I missed a few...

      • 1 vote
      #3.63 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:48 AM EST
      energynet

      At this point, I'm really saddened about how rightwingers who have seen this have already attacked several of the above videos, forcing them to be pulled. The saddest, being Won't get fooled again.  Probably, one of the best done video dubbs I've ever seen. :(

      End of publishing content like this.  My website was attacked by hackers last night, broken into and completely deleted.

      • 3 votes
      #3.64 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 4:00 AM EST
      Dennis P. McCannDeleted
      energynet

      I'm okay, its backed up regularly.

      Also, the Won't Get Foold Again piece hasn't been pulled which is a relief.

      Its just pretty sad that peace is so bloody threatening to somebody out there.

      • 5 votes
      #3.66 - Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:45 PM EST
      Benno Hansen

      They were copyright infringements? Suppose they have started realizing how any attention means business, but exercise the copyright law whenever it serves another purpose.

      • 1 vote
      #3.67 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:11 PM EST
      energynet

      Its funny how popular music has become so politicized. McCain caught up in a lawsuit with Jackson Browne over his unauthorized use of Jackson's music. McCain's legal counter with Jackson will be interesting to watch

      While the above "Won't Get Fooled Again" piece created a huge steam of @!$%# elsewhere with rightwingers claiming that it was meant for them. Reagan tried to claim Sprinsteen's Living in the USA has his anthem but was stopped.

      When there is money or power to be grabbed, expect dirty pool.

      • 3 votes
      #3.68 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 3:40 PM EST
      PGonz

      Donovan, Universal Soldier (1966)

      • 2 votes
      #3.69 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 10:45 PM EST
      Reply
      Lee B

      I think religion plays a large role as well.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:59 AM EST
      Barbara in Houston

      No, my dear, this was ALWAYS about money.  Diverse religious beliefs just enabled us to feel better about it.

      'W' you ba***rd!

      • 2 votes
      #4.1 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 2:10 PM EST
      Lee B

      What is this?  I'm not talking about any one specific war and I didn't think the article was either.  It says "all wars". 

      The crusades were certainly not all about the money.

      • 2 votes
      #4.2 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 9:55 PM EST
      Barbara in Houston

      Please allow me to dissent on that one as well.  Again religious diversity was just the excuse.  I'll be back with some books to read. (Sorry no 'links' in my library.) Also, Nazi Germany, and the Spanish Inquisition.  Money....all about money.  The players have changed, but their nature has not.

      • 1 vote
      #4.3 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:26 PM EST
      Barbara in Houston

      Oh and one last thought before bedtime..... natural resources= money always have, ask the Rothschilds.

        #4.4 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:39 PM EST
        Derek M.

        Barbara I see your point, I agree that almost all major wars were started and or fought over natural resources, but I think religion has played a major role in the methods with which these wars were fought... eg. If the Jews were Atheists would Hitler still have done to them what he did?

          #4.5 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:12 AM EST
          Lee B

          Barbara, you can not lay blame at one symptom.  It just isn't possible.  You also can't just claim resources as money.  They can be converted to money, but you could also just call resources life in that sense because you use them to survive.

          Before there was currency there was war.  It probably had nothing to do with greed, but probably a lot more with survival.

          • 2 votes
          #4.6 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 1:37 AM EST
          swamijim sez

          Lee -- actually, I think you're making Barbara's point all over again...before currency, war (or tribal conflicts) were certainly about resources, as hunter/gatherers clashed over food sources.  Later agricultural tribes fought over water, grazing lands and/or productive soil; these are examples of 'survival' struggles, always connected to scarcity or inequity of resources.  'Wealth' as symbolized in gold, jewels and currency are not necessarily intrinsically valuable, save as they represent the power/ability to control or accrue real resources.  The Crusades certainly had as much (or more) to do with plundering spices, silk, ivory & other resources than with religious motivations.  Gold didn't equate to wealth to the Inca, they had tons of the stuff, but the Spaniards could convert the gold to 'wealth' (resources) back in the Old World.  I'm not trying to discount ALL other motives for war, but there's certainly compelling evidence to support resource-allocation as a primary motive for conflict.  In the modern era, we could view armed conflict as the 'last resort' when 'non-violent' corporate/political struggles for resource control fail.

          • 2 votes
          #4.7 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 2:33 AM EST
          Derek M.

          In reference to Barbara's point, I would like to point out independence wars? I wouldn't say wars fought over independence, such as the American War of Independence, or many of the conflicts in Italy in the early late 19th early 20th centuries I believe were based more on the union of the people rather then natural resources. But as well, swamijim has a great point in what he says, too.

          • 1 vote
          #4.8 - Tue Nov 25, 2008 6:24 PM EST
          Barbara in Houston

          I understand where you are coming from Derek, but Independenceis just putting a wall around a piece of land(resource) and saying "MINE".  Your point is valid and, in my interpretation, compatible with mine.

          Regards

          • 1 vote
          #4.9 - Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:12 PM EST
          Derek M.

          Thanks Barbara! Another conflict I would like to present to my point is the one that occurred in Yugoslavia where, I believe, please correct me if I'm wrong, essentially the fighting was for the differing minority groups being seperated within different states to gain their autonomy, and unite as a people. (eg. Serbs united in one state, Croats united in another, etc...), rather then having some Serbs here, some there, intermixed with some Muslims, all being governed by Croats.  The point I would like to make is that there have been multiple conflicts not over natural resources, or really land even, but to gain autonomy and self-determination as an ethnic group. 

          Of course you could flip this right around and say these ethnic groups are fighting to gain a piece of land (resource) to call their own and unite their people within, but its all dependent on how you look at the issue. Thanks again!

          • 1 vote
          #4.10 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:28 AM EST
          Barbara in Houston

          A well put, salient argument.  Let me think on this.

          Also, since I love well put salient arguments......friend request sent.

          Back later.  Regards

          • 1 vote
          #4.11 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:59 AM EST
          Reply
          nearing

          Great article, Benno.

          I need to put you on my watchlist.

          I completely agree and may I add to your sources:

          The Party's Over by Richard Heinberg.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#5 - Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:47 PM EST
          Benno Hansen

          I have put together a list of potential future reading at Amazon.

          • 1 vote
          #5.1 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:12 PM EST
          nearing

          Great! Thanks, Benno.

          • 2 votes
          #5.2 - Thu Nov 27, 2008 1:09 PM EST
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          Rella

          I would add one caveat to this: there are three other reasons wars are fought - military, political, and/or economic gain (these are not necessarily mutually exclusive).  These may or may not have something to do with natural resources.  They often do, but this is not necessary.  So the correct statement, in my view, should be:

          All wars are fought over natural resources, or for military, political, or economic gain.

          Good article.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#6 - Sat Nov 29, 2008 1:07 AM EST
          Barbara in Houston

          Good thoughts Rella.

          • 1 vote
          #6.1 - Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:00 PM EST
          Reply
          Benno Hansen

          If you liked the above article chances are you would be interested in Let's get smarter here: Significance, not truth, please
          too ;-)

            Reply#7 - Tue Dec 23, 2008 8:32 AM EST
            Benno Hansen

            An updated version of both articles has been posted at TH!NK3.

              #7.1 - Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:39 PM EDT
              Reply
              Benno Hansen

              This article is now a book.

              Yes, a book. 144 pages. Check out ecowar.eu, you will not regret it.

              • 2 votes
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